In your average Saturday com with 4 players the first 2 to putt out leave the green and begin the next hole. Your old club Cam @ Metro I’m sure had this rule. Great idea.
As for social groups this should be mandatory.
Without sounding sexist I feel that if women or for that fact slow men who hold up the field due to slow play be penalised a shot a hole for slow play.
Cam: I am a big fan of everything you say and write, but I have to take serious issue with your throwaway line at the beginning of this episode, namely that you did not agree with Overton being DQ’d for using a training aid during a round while he was waiting for the group in front. I believe it to be a no-brainer – he broke the rules, so he should suffer the consequences. Would you be OK with a player taking an aiming stick onto the course and once or twice during a round, dropping it down to check his alignment? Your comment is akin to saying someone is a “tiny bit pregnant”. The main reason I am concerned with your comment is that I spend a lot of time at my club, via a newsletter and personal interaction, to educate players in the correct application of the rules, and for you to imply that it was a minor infraction might lead people to think that they can interpret some rules how they want to.
As I said, I am normally a big fan of yours, and promote your work to as many people as possible, but this time, I think you are wrong.
Cheers. Terry.
Terry: I don’t expect people to agree with everything I have to say 🙂
In Overton’s case, he used a putting aide on a practice green away from the course proper. I don’t think it’s a huge issue as there was a delay on the tee and he got permission to go practice. In this case I think DQ was a bit harsh. Your example is not comparing apples with apples. I don’t think using aiming aides on the course should be allowed, but if a player, during a break in play, went to the side (or whatever) and used one I don’t see how it affects anything.
The main point of the podcast was on slow play. Something the powers that be seem reluctant to enforce unless you’re a 14 year old kid. Slow play is a blight on the game but the best players still seem to get away with it. But a player does something pretty minor (in my opinion)- training aide, metal spikes (Janzen) they get the arse.
Thanks for the reply Cam. I agree that slow play is a significant issue, and I have spent the last 7 months being the course marshal at our club in an effort to improve round times. Generally, it has been very successful, as players are made aware of their pace, place in the field and the need to be conscious to be ready to play when it is their turn. Of course there are times when nothing can be done, such as when it is carts on paths due to wet weather, playing stroke off the back tees, social groups booked in, etc. My records prove that round times have generally improved by up to 30 minutes.
I hope you are starting to enjoy the warmer winter weather up here? Hopefully I will be able to come for a lesson in July when we move to Bli Bli to do some house-sitting.
Cheers. Terry.
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May 28, 2013In your average Saturday com with 4 players the first 2 to putt out leave the green and begin the next hole. Your old club Cam @ Metro I’m sure had this rule. Great idea.
As for social groups this should be mandatory.
Without sounding sexist I feel that if women or for that fact slow men who hold up the field due to slow play be penalised a shot a hole for slow play.
Terry
June 3, 2013Cam: I am a big fan of everything you say and write, but I have to take serious issue with your throwaway line at the beginning of this episode, namely that you did not agree with Overton being DQ’d for using a training aid during a round while he was waiting for the group in front. I believe it to be a no-brainer – he broke the rules, so he should suffer the consequences. Would you be OK with a player taking an aiming stick onto the course and once or twice during a round, dropping it down to check his alignment? Your comment is akin to saying someone is a “tiny bit pregnant”. The main reason I am concerned with your comment is that I spend a lot of time at my club, via a newsletter and personal interaction, to educate players in the correct application of the rules, and for you to imply that it was a minor infraction might lead people to think that they can interpret some rules how they want to.
As I said, I am normally a big fan of yours, and promote your work to as many people as possible, but this time, I think you are wrong.
Cheers. Terry.
Cameron
June 4, 2013Terry: I don’t expect people to agree with everything I have to say 🙂
In Overton’s case, he used a putting aide on a practice green away from the course proper. I don’t think it’s a huge issue as there was a delay on the tee and he got permission to go practice. In this case I think DQ was a bit harsh. Your example is not comparing apples with apples. I don’t think using aiming aides on the course should be allowed, but if a player, during a break in play, went to the side (or whatever) and used one I don’t see how it affects anything.
The main point of the podcast was on slow play. Something the powers that be seem reluctant to enforce unless you’re a 14 year old kid. Slow play is a blight on the game but the best players still seem to get away with it. But a player does something pretty minor (in my opinion)- training aide, metal spikes (Janzen) they get the arse.
Terry
June 4, 2013Thanks for the reply Cam. I agree that slow play is a significant issue, and I have spent the last 7 months being the course marshal at our club in an effort to improve round times. Generally, it has been very successful, as players are made aware of their pace, place in the field and the need to be conscious to be ready to play when it is their turn. Of course there are times when nothing can be done, such as when it is carts on paths due to wet weather, playing stroke off the back tees, social groups booked in, etc. My records prove that round times have generally improved by up to 30 minutes.
I hope you are starting to enjoy the warmer winter weather up here? Hopefully I will be able to come for a lesson in July when we move to Bli Bli to do some house-sitting.
Cheers. Terry.
Cameron
June 5, 2013Key word there is “aware”. Without awareness of the problem golf will never get anywhere. Good stuff…
Cameron
June 6, 2013Terry: the weather is really nice now. The Golf Farm is taking shape and look forward to seeing you here one day soon. Cheers, Cam
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